After All This, How Can Women STILL Support Trump? | Andra Watkins joins Lisa Senecal

“I was expected to look up to men who were weak and pathetic — and I knew they were even as a child.”

Andra Watkins

joined

Lisa Senecal

for our weekly check-in on the latest from Project 2025 and the white Christian nationalists who are now running our government.

This week was a deep dive into misogyny, and the launching point was, of course, the Epstein files. We’ve all been glued to our screens for every last drop of tea that seems to come out at the top of every hour. But we have to keep our eyes focused on the reality behind this story: every detail of what happened is built on an abject hatred and objectification of women and girls.

There is no other way to say it.

This is what makes the story so complicated. Trump isn’t a believer in anything, really, except in Trump and his own pleasure. But more and more it seems like he’s found the Christian nationalists around him, and the movement in general, to be in full support of his pleasures.

Women — particularly within Christian nationalist communities — are indoctrinated to accept submission, sacrifice, and silence. Now those values are being codified in state law in some cases.

In other words, it can be argued that while we’re all (at Lincoln Square, anyway) disgusted by the crimes committed by Epstein, Trump, and the rest, Trump’s people are doing everything they can to ensure that those crimes against women can continue unabated and without repercussions to the men who commit them.

Hell, folks like Russell Vought or Mike Johnson or Mike Lee might not even believe them to be crimes in the first place.

What’s confounding, and what Lisa and Andra dig into in this conversation, is Christian women’s role in all of this. There is a resentment — and internalized oppression — that drives some women to support policies that punish other women. You can see this when women vote to end reproductive freedom.

So. Will the Epstein revelations wake us up? We’ll have to stay tuned. Watch this week’s conversation, and let us know what you think in the comments.

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