Legacy newsrooms have been failing us, but not always out of negligence. The news cycle is continuous, a firehose of shocking stories one after another after another. Any newsroom — even those well-staffed national newsrooms — can’t possibly have the bandwidth to deep-dive into every single story they cover.
That’s where citizen journalists like Ellie Leonard come in. Her reporting on Epstein, the Epstein files, and the powerful men behind their coverup has been some of the most essential sources of truth over the past year.
She joins Frank to talk about the Jane Doe IV case, Zorro Ranch in New Mexico, Epstein’s death, and the Interlochen Center for the Arts in Michigan.













