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The Surprising *Good* News About Project 2025 | Andra Watkins & Sam Osterhout

When Christian nationalism's ambitions are exposed in broad daylight, people really, really don't like what they see.
  • Resistance grows durable when people recognize their own power in the smallest local spaces.

  • Bad policy reveals itself faster when it collides with real-world consequences instead of theoretical purity.

  • Hope becomes a strategic asset when it fuels organizing rather than offering an excuse to relax.


When Sam Osterhout and Andra Watkins lay the stakes on the table, the conversation instantly shifts from dread to possibility, because naming the architecture of this movement—its masks slipping, its timelines crumbling, its overreach accelerating—creates room for people to understand their own leverage. The truth is that these authoritarian blueprints crack not from polite objection but from ordinary people refusing to internalize someone else’s fatalism, and that is the energy coursing through their exchange. You can feel how resistance gathers momentum whenever communities recognize that “impossible” goals—whether blocking state abortion bans or preserving DEI programs—start to wobble the moment they are dragged into public scrutiny. The work becomes less about reacting to their vision and more about asserting one of our own, one grounded in dignity, autonomy, and a government that treats people as citizens rather than subjects.

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