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Barbara Greer's avatar

Young people have tried to shock since the beginning of time. It never had to have content. You are giving them oxygen. Soon they will be so yesterday. Tens of thousands of followers in a country of over 300 million is nothing. Stop giving them oxygen.

Margaret Park's avatar

And they wonder why young women don't want to get married. Why would anyone want to marry a man who hates women?

Protect the Vote's avatar

WE the People Are Witnessing A Nazi Republican Takeover

Four months after becoming Chancellor in 1933 Hitler literally burned down the Reichstag(German equivalent of Congress) and essentially became the dictator of the country(today the Nazi you must provide documentary proof of citizenship — a U.S. passport, a birth certificate, a naturalization certificate, or a Real ID that specifically denotes citizenship. Your driver’s license? Doesn’t count The law also disenfranchises many female voters who have taken their husband’s name, requiring them to provide a birth certificate(many cannot locate theirs) or a passport(80% don’t have one)

This coupled with a nationalized vigilante challenge(bit.ly/41UelTx) in their back pocket, the Nazis are putting a full scale assault on the American voter WE the People can fight this with awareness of this Nazi attempt and urging everyone of our friends, neighbors, relatives, and family to vote early to avoid being disenfranchised as a registered voter

Republicans call it the Unitary Executive) Cheeto tried to burn down Congress on J6 2021 but with that effort failing, he and his Nazi allies are taking a different approach by nullifying registered voters

The SAVE Act essentially disenfranchises millions of registered voters in the country by the demand of “voter ID” “Who could argue about a voter ID law?” one would ask Under this SAVE Act in order to register to vote

Patricia M Melsha's avatar

It looks like a lot of this intolerance and ignorance among men is rooted in inadequacy and plain laziness. Its easy to sit home and blame, go to clubs and be outrageous, go online without consequence. School is hard, apprenticeships can be hard, 40-50 hour work weeks are hard when your take home pay isn't flush, feeling the upward slog is taking too long is life. Applying yourself to be a person of value is alot harder than raging at others. The guys know their inadequate and they're too lazy to do the work to fix themselves. They all sound like losers that need a twelve step program.

George in Atlanta's avatar

Yeah, it's decay. The young men following it are headed nowhere good for them.

But, here's the thing: it's not all static or one-way. The old Leftist myth of power-through-helplessness is crumbling fast. I know this, not because what people say, but what they are doing. There's an implication that "so and so was threatened online", or even in person, and there are no repercussions. Kneejerk wailing about "nothing is ever done because the police are all in on it", or something, then stops thought dead. We are helpless. They are our unbeatable overlords. Those pathetic little weasels living in their Mom's basement, hiding from the world.

Except, I see otherwise. The Liberal Gun Club is doing a land-office business. The rate of women taking their first gun-safety training has surged by ten times. My firearms instructor is a rabbi.

The general-user space (leased by individual coaches) I go to that calls itself a "Fight Club" (we can talk about it, but it's not just a single entity) is *awash* in women. The Krav Maga classes I take are half women. There are all-women boxing classes of many dozens at a time. Trying to hurt any of these women will be costly.

I'm likewise not completely convinced that cowards are even able to threaten without consequence. That's implied by the media because it never follows up, since it gets distracted by the next shiny object flitting by. But every once in a while, I'll see a case come up where someone is investigated and arrested for online threats. Usually, the threats are against a public figure, but I'm willing to bet there are more avenues to pursue justice, or retribution, than is generally discussed. Internet sleuths can do amazing things now.

So no, I don't think it cannot be dealt with. Because it is.

P J Johnston's avatar

Thank you Evan, I might add all those influencers had to have gotten their "content" somewhere and once again I will suggest that I know where all this is coming from. AND it goes all the way to the top! It truly isn't hard to see that they all want to be like their "idols"!

Leigh Horne's avatar

Thank you, Evan. As you noted, "It's not rebellion. It isn’t counterculture. It’s decay" that these confused young men are displaying. It could become the subject of a late night comedy skit, save for the fact that real people, predominantly women, are their targets. I have one daughter in media relations who has received so many online threats (disgusting in their detail) that she had to ask for legal assistance to protect herself. I have another who's a lawyer and drives to and from work through the types of neighborhoods where the Andrew Tate wannabes tend to congregate. I have a granddaughter, age two, who is cute as a button and smart as a whip, and another granddaughter on the way. And then there's me, a semi-feisty old lady with a pair of hiking sticks and a We the People Have Had Enough bill cap. We are all put at risk by all this performative hate and dominance garbage. Why is there no governance in this sector, when it's plain to see that over half the people in this country are walking around with targets on their backs as a result of these influencers? And that's not even including the sane male persons of color and those with non hetero sexual orientations also at risk. We have a definite majority here. People, unite!

Jeff Lazar's avatar

Truly excellent. Thank you...and keep it up.

James McConnel's avatar

Young men filled the ranks of the Brown Shirts, the Waffen SS, and the Gestapo. Are we suggesting there is no free will, that a person has no responsibility for life choices?

George in Atlanta's avatar

They have none. They are empty vessels for any demagogue to fill with whatever flavor of hate they choose. And there is no recovery from it. That's why the Waffen SS and Gestapo are still institutions in Germany. That's why Black people are still owned by planters in the South. Its unstoppable power is why the Nazis conquered the world.

Or not.

GingerLee's avatar

well done... I sit here reading this and it's as if these "people" have confused movies, as well as video games, with reality... I have read many young men are turning their backs on these extremes as well.... this group of young monsters would kill their mothers, sisters & if they were capable of having a girlfriend they would kill her too...they do not qualify as human and being human is definitely a low bar

Maxine Hunter's avatar

You continue to point the issue out very well. Lifting up a less Toxic roll model seems almost impossible. Thanks Evan. You keep raising the issue and looking to help. Big task leading anyone out of a toxic maze to fresh air.

James Coyle's avatar

"A society that treats cruelty as entertainment and hatred as personality eventually loses the ability to recognize dignity at all. Trust erodes. Community fractures. Politics becomes pure spectacle, stripped of accountability and meaning. What fills the void isn’t strength or clarity — it’s paranoia, resentment, and rage."

All true and eloquently stated. But never forget to follow the money. It's a short-sighted billionaire class that's now driving this, mounting the tiger that will eventually consume them. It is to be hoped that the tiger doesn't destroy us all first.

P J Johnston's avatar

Money always talks and as they say nobody walks. But you are correct James for stating this.

Carol Gamm's avatar

Thank you. The job market problems are part of this, too.