Just one thing: Americans should call the concentration camp what it is: Alligator Auschwitz. The use of Alcatraz is a demented Trumpism, and we decent folk shouldn’t be helping the swine’s propaganda team.
More important than what we call this Everglades nightmare is Joe’s point that it exists because 31% of tRump’s base has claimed that the mere kidnapping of random brown people off the streets by masked ICE thugs is insufficient to satisfy MAGA sadism. Furthermore, spread the word that the timing of the opening of this cruel prison speaks to the bad guys’ FEAR that —without this despicable distraction— too many tRump supporters might continue to awaken to the horrors of the Murder Bill.
Please watch this video. The real end game of Project 2025 is being missed. It is far worse than anyone realizes. 2026 will be too late to stop it. Project 205 is a full-scale plan to destroy the foundations of our democracy—gutting agencies, silencing experts, and handing unchecked power to extremists. Watch this video to see what’s really at stake and why we need to stop it now: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPHbV1xujYTDa-wq9F5/
That’s how it starts out. Lots of concentration camps got overcrowded and they ran out of room- after all 6 million Jews and actually another 5 million minorities, mentally ill, dissidents- you get it.
Your statement is a distinction without a difference. No one is proposing to murder anyone per se. But to think that abuse and sadism in the sweltering Florida heat with people crammed into a small building without air ventilation WON'T lead to the unnecessary deaths of people is delusional.
I quote Tom Homan who said a few days ago when asked about the 75 year-old ICE detainee dying in custody "I’m unaware of that, I’m not aware of that. I mean, people die in ICE custody, people die in county jail, people die in state prisons,” . So to him and the other ghouls like him, people dying as a result of their actions and this camp, these likely deaths will be a feature not a bug.
What moral morons you all are! All the Jews transported to Auschwitz were sent there for the purpose of killing them. Distinction without a difference, my ass. I grew up in Florida without an air conditioning- - now I realize-- with your help, that my parents were trying to murder me.
Listen if you want to equivocate between an explicit death camp and a concentration camp with the side effect of unnecessary death and abuse, be my guest. Yes Auschwitz had one ugly purpose: to exterminate Jewish people period.
Yet to call people moral morons when I'm highlighting that that place will be a ,I suppose, a lesser hellhole is missing the point. Both Auschwitz and this place were/are hellholes the only difference being one of degree. I can easily and bluntly characterize Auschwitz as a moral stain that can never be erased. I can also easily and bluntly call this so-called detention center as another moral stain that we should stop as soon as possible.
I remind you that before the final solution got ramped up that Jewish people and other undesirables were put in concentration camps and exploited for slave labor. Trump proposed doing that with the people who will forced into that center during his "tour" with Noem and DeSantis. Are you 100% confident that this center and others like it won't evolve into something worse either by design or because those staffing these places act out their darkest fantasies? I sure as hell wouldn't.
If you want to join the people who will be crammed like sardines into that "facility" as a walk in the park because it doesn't explicitly operate as a death camp, please do so. Let us know how enjoyable it will be. I want to call out explicit evil be it Auschwitz or this dump in Florida. You can be against both and not be dismissive of this potential horror just because Auschwitz was even worse.
FWIW I grew up in Alabama and lived in Florida. I know what it's like to live in high temperature and high humidity environments. These detainees will be in the Everglades and packed in there like sardines. All will suffer. Some will die. Those who manage to survive will have who knows what level of mental and emotional damage brutally and unnecessarily. So no, they won't be murdered by design but they will all be severely traumatized. That's the distinction without a difference I was trying to highlight.
Again, if you want to blithely dismiss that evil because the final solution was a worse evil, be my guest. I am against all forms of suffering PERIOD.
Just one thing: Americans should call the concentration camp what it is: Alligator Auschwitz. The use of Alcatraz is a demented Trumpism, and we decent folk shouldn’t be helping the swine’s propaganda team.
More important than what we call this Everglades nightmare is Joe’s point that it exists because 31% of tRump’s base has claimed that the mere kidnapping of random brown people off the streets by masked ICE thugs is insufficient to satisfy MAGA sadism. Furthermore, spread the word that the timing of the opening of this cruel prison speaks to the bad guys’ FEAR that —without this despicable distraction— too many tRump supporters might continue to awaken to the horrors of the Murder Bill.
Please watch this video. The real end game of Project 2025 is being missed. It is far worse than anyone realizes. 2026 will be too late to stop it. Project 205 is a full-scale plan to destroy the foundations of our democracy—gutting agencies, silencing experts, and handing unchecked power to extremists. Watch this video to see what’s really at stake and why we need to stop it now: https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPHbV1xujYTDa-wq9F5/
Please refer to it as Alligator Auschwitz. It is a concentration camp
Auschwitz was a death camp; no one is proposing to murder those detained there
The heat, storms and mosquitoes will get the people there
No one proposed it for Auschwitz either, for quite a few years. Note, btw, that there have already been unexplained deaths in ICE custody.
That’s how it starts out. Lots of concentration camps got overcrowded and they ran out of room- after all 6 million Jews and actually another 5 million minorities, mentally ill, dissidents- you get it.
Now I see! the reason for the final solution was because they ran out of room.
Your statement is a distinction without a difference. No one is proposing to murder anyone per se. But to think that abuse and sadism in the sweltering Florida heat with people crammed into a small building without air ventilation WON'T lead to the unnecessary deaths of people is delusional.
I quote Tom Homan who said a few days ago when asked about the 75 year-old ICE detainee dying in custody "I’m unaware of that, I’m not aware of that. I mean, people die in ICE custody, people die in county jail, people die in state prisons,” . So to him and the other ghouls like him, people dying as a result of their actions and this camp, these likely deaths will be a feature not a bug.
What moral morons you all are! All the Jews transported to Auschwitz were sent there for the purpose of killing them. Distinction without a difference, my ass. I grew up in Florida without an air conditioning- - now I realize-- with your help, that my parents were trying to murder me.
Listen if you want to equivocate between an explicit death camp and a concentration camp with the side effect of unnecessary death and abuse, be my guest. Yes Auschwitz had one ugly purpose: to exterminate Jewish people period.
Yet to call people moral morons when I'm highlighting that that place will be a ,I suppose, a lesser hellhole is missing the point. Both Auschwitz and this place were/are hellholes the only difference being one of degree. I can easily and bluntly characterize Auschwitz as a moral stain that can never be erased. I can also easily and bluntly call this so-called detention center as another moral stain that we should stop as soon as possible.
I remind you that before the final solution got ramped up that Jewish people and other undesirables were put in concentration camps and exploited for slave labor. Trump proposed doing that with the people who will forced into that center during his "tour" with Noem and DeSantis. Are you 100% confident that this center and others like it won't evolve into something worse either by design or because those staffing these places act out their darkest fantasies? I sure as hell wouldn't.
If you want to join the people who will be crammed like sardines into that "facility" as a walk in the park because it doesn't explicitly operate as a death camp, please do so. Let us know how enjoyable it will be. I want to call out explicit evil be it Auschwitz or this dump in Florida. You can be against both and not be dismissive of this potential horror just because Auschwitz was even worse.
FWIW I grew up in Alabama and lived in Florida. I know what it's like to live in high temperature and high humidity environments. These detainees will be in the Everglades and packed in there like sardines. All will suffer. Some will die. Those who manage to survive will have who knows what level of mental and emotional damage brutally and unnecessarily. So no, they won't be murdered by design but they will all be severely traumatized. That's the distinction without a difference I was trying to highlight.
Again, if you want to blithely dismiss that evil because the final solution was a worse evil, be my guest. I am against all forms of suffering PERIOD.