As veterans, Bobby and Fred agree that there’s no more serious act than sending troops into harm’s way.
They rip apart the Trump regime’s “horniness” to kill with boat strikes in the Caribbean.
Fred — a Lincoln Project alum — said he doesn’t care if he only spends one term in Congress. He just wants to do something to fight back against authoritarianism right now.
Fred Wellman and Bobby Jones set a tone that invites the conversation to grow sharper, angrier, and more honest about our country’s breaking points. What emerges is a reminder that representation only works when it carries the weight of real lives—when it understands rising costs not as an economic data point but as the thing dissolving stability, ambition, and dignity across entire communities. The discussion pulls forward the reality that state power used carelessly, especially in the form of sanctioned violence, reshapes what a nation believes is acceptable and who it believes is expendable, unsettling even those who feel insulated from the consequences. At the same time, the thread of personal endurance becomes its own kind of argument: that public life should require the same steadiness and self-interrogation that ordinary people rely on just to get through the week, especially in a moment when so many leaders choose spectacle over accountability.
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