Far from fulfilling the Great Commission, these fake Christians are driving people like me to conclude that the whole concept of a supreme being is merely a tool to control people!
Oh, I agree. I am a Southern Baptist preacher's son, and I spent much of my life trying to reconcile what I was hearing from my Father, for whom I had enormous respect and admiration, and what I was seeing from others who claimed to be Christian. The passion with which so-called Christians embraced tRump's anti-Christian message was the final straw. People who purported to be Christian leaders were behaving in ways that the Jesus Christ described in the Bible would have abhorred. If there is any legitimacy to the whole Christian movement -- and I no longer look for it -- those people have done more damage to the cause of Christianity than just about anything else in history. Far from fulfilling their Great Commission, they have driven people away from Christianity. If what they're selling is Christianity, I want no part of it.
What a great show! I love your honest rage and determination to stay positive. I was raised Lutheran and the right wing Christian Nationalism is nothing I ever learned in church (or school). As a child, I remember thinking the Old Testament was incredibly violent. The most violent act I learned about Jesus was overturning the tables in the temple and throwing the money changers out. The right wing distortion of Christianity is gagging and dispiriting. It is going to take a lot of spirit, faith, hardworking, optimism and love for all creation to get us out of this mess.
Tim Whitaker’s podcast on YT, “The New Evangelicals” is really great. I was raised in the Lutheran Church also, I’m no longer a believer, but I know I live in a society that is mostly religious, & I’d rather that progressive Evangelicals like Tim win out in the end.
Maya‘s question about whether we should all start reading the Bible to refute Christian nationalist arguments is a very good one - and Tim‘s response was very disappointing. The simple answer to Maya’s question is YES! We should definitely do that. Groups like the New Evangelicals should help us to have rebuttals at our fingertips for each of these issues. The appropriate conversation is not the age/structure/translations of scripture, but the CONTENT of scripture. What does the Bible actually say about these things. Most Christians don’t know, and the secular world certainly doesn’t know.
I strongly disagree. I think Tim’s suggestion of the podcast that explains the Bible is the much better way to go. Most people could use some help putting the Bible into context.
Tim's response was envigorating to me. Understanding complexity is what he talked about. Xian nationalists was simplistic answers. Great clip of white Kirk talking over a black questioner. Typical white supremacy, too.
Maya thanks for having Tim on. Great conversation. The realization that Christian Nationalism compromises with no one, demands submission to their power and that America needs to stop them and Trump cold.
Yes, I just happened to stumble across Tim & his podcast “The New Evangelicals” on YT about a year ago, & was immediately fascinated with him & the guests he had on his show. I was delighted when Naya introduced him as her guest.
"White Christian Nationalism was the blood and body of the Trump regime’s efforts to undermine our democracy and destroy our freedoms." Worst is yet to come. Donald "The Beast" Trump is building a wall once again. Colossal tariff wall that is the beginning of the end for the system of down. At first the beast will pull the plug out of the global economy. The worst financial crisis of human history will pull a swarm of the banks underwater and the bank run begins. Then the beast will collapse a mountain of debt shattering the backbone of the monetary system causing a systemic risk to realize. Finally the beast will cast American citizens into a system slavery under the name of Ronald Wilson Reagan, just to "honor his legacy" count the number. After the destruction a new world order will be established in the US. And the Golden Age begins from the ruins of the world wide collapse. All of the system slaves will love it. No more cash - just digital transactions. No more traditional criminal activity. No more tax evasion. No more transactions without the "all seeing eye". Outcasts will hate the world without freedom, hope and privacy. To cover up the mess and distract the public by smoke and mirrors, the beast will engage in a war with Iran. Lies and deceit, corruption and decay, dancing on the graves will continue. Until; Black hole sun, won't you come, won't you come... I want to play a game. Time has come to opt out of the empire of filth. Live or die...
Yes, these folks are a huge, maybe still growing population, who do not think for themselves or even empathize by their own thinking; they are primed for authoritarian obedience, maybe primed, at least in large, part by their evangelical upbringing. Public school attendance, military draft (not recently), multi-mixed neighborhoods? All those mixers that helped us to understand and EMPATHIZE and falling away - for many reasons - but it's a HUGE problem.
“We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian.” Adolph Hitler 1928
It’s clear that Hitler’s Mein Kampf and Goebbels have a substantial influence on the current US Nazi party of the 21st century as well as Orban’s Hungary to serve as a model as to how to get the Christian Nationalist Party(CNP) over the finish line before 2026 midterms
The Nazis want to destroy all things that conservatives don’t have control over Not only attack university endowments but also go after the private sector and make them “feel economic pain” The Nazis feel that the country is in late republican period(meaning the final days of a democratic republic) This link from the Maddow show exposes the intent of the current Nazi regime https://bit.ly/3BrXePA
The Nazi party currently occupying the White House has set the agenda As JD Vance has said “we need to burn it all down and start over”
So this is where we are folks Feel like protesting now???
Dan McClellen is a good source for straightening out people about meanings in the Bible
Yes, one of the first religious podcasts I found was one that had Dan McClellen on as the guest. He is very impressive in his knowledge of the Bible.
You need to start calling it "Slave State Christianity". They used the same bible to selectively justify their hatred.
Far from fulfilling the Great Commission, these fake Christians are driving people like me to conclude that the whole concept of a supreme being is merely a tool to control people!
It mostly is.
Oh, I agree. I am a Southern Baptist preacher's son, and I spent much of my life trying to reconcile what I was hearing from my Father, for whom I had enormous respect and admiration, and what I was seeing from others who claimed to be Christian. The passion with which so-called Christians embraced tRump's anti-Christian message was the final straw. People who purported to be Christian leaders were behaving in ways that the Jesus Christ described in the Bible would have abhorred. If there is any legitimacy to the whole Christian movement -- and I no longer look for it -- those people have done more damage to the cause of Christianity than just about anything else in history. Far from fulfilling their Great Commission, they have driven people away from Christianity. If what they're selling is Christianity, I want no part of it.
What a great show! I love your honest rage and determination to stay positive. I was raised Lutheran and the right wing Christian Nationalism is nothing I ever learned in church (or school). As a child, I remember thinking the Old Testament was incredibly violent. The most violent act I learned about Jesus was overturning the tables in the temple and throwing the money changers out. The right wing distortion of Christianity is gagging and dispiriting. It is going to take a lot of spirit, faith, hardworking, optimism and love for all creation to get us out of this mess.
Tim Whitaker’s podcast on YT, “The New Evangelicals” is really great. I was raised in the Lutheran Church also, I’m no longer a believer, but I know I live in a society that is mostly religious, & I’d rather that progressive Evangelicals like Tim win out in the end.
Maya‘s question about whether we should all start reading the Bible to refute Christian nationalist arguments is a very good one - and Tim‘s response was very disappointing. The simple answer to Maya’s question is YES! We should definitely do that. Groups like the New Evangelicals should help us to have rebuttals at our fingertips for each of these issues. The appropriate conversation is not the age/structure/translations of scripture, but the CONTENT of scripture. What does the Bible actually say about these things. Most Christians don’t know, and the secular world certainly doesn’t know.
I strongly disagree. I think Tim’s suggestion of the podcast that explains the Bible is the much better way to go. Most people could use some help putting the Bible into context.
Tim's response was envigorating to me. Understanding complexity is what he talked about. Xian nationalists was simplistic answers. Great clip of white Kirk talking over a black questioner. Typical white supremacy, too.
Maya thanks for having Tim on. Great conversation. The realization that Christian Nationalism compromises with no one, demands submission to their power and that America needs to stop them and Trump cold.
Yes, I just happened to stumble across Tim & his podcast “The New Evangelicals” on YT about a year ago, & was immediately fascinated with him & the guests he had on his show. I was delighted when Naya introduced him as her guest.
"White Christian Nationalism was the blood and body of the Trump regime’s efforts to undermine our democracy and destroy our freedoms." Worst is yet to come. Donald "The Beast" Trump is building a wall once again. Colossal tariff wall that is the beginning of the end for the system of down. At first the beast will pull the plug out of the global economy. The worst financial crisis of human history will pull a swarm of the banks underwater and the bank run begins. Then the beast will collapse a mountain of debt shattering the backbone of the monetary system causing a systemic risk to realize. Finally the beast will cast American citizens into a system slavery under the name of Ronald Wilson Reagan, just to "honor his legacy" count the number. After the destruction a new world order will be established in the US. And the Golden Age begins from the ruins of the world wide collapse. All of the system slaves will love it. No more cash - just digital transactions. No more traditional criminal activity. No more tax evasion. No more transactions without the "all seeing eye". Outcasts will hate the world without freedom, hope and privacy. To cover up the mess and distract the public by smoke and mirrors, the beast will engage in a war with Iran. Lies and deceit, corruption and decay, dancing on the graves will continue. Until; Black hole sun, won't you come, won't you come... I want to play a game. Time has come to opt out of the empire of filth. Live or die...
And all these folks are going to burn in hell for eternity............
Yes, these folks are a huge, maybe still growing population, who do not think for themselves or even empathize by their own thinking; they are primed for authoritarian obedience, maybe primed, at least in large, part by their evangelical upbringing. Public school attendance, military draft (not recently), multi-mixed neighborhoods? All those mixers that helped us to understand and EMPATHIZE and falling away - for many reasons - but it's a HUGE problem.
“We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian.” Adolph Hitler 1928
It’s clear that Hitler’s Mein Kampf and Goebbels have a substantial influence on the current US Nazi party of the 21st century as well as Orban’s Hungary to serve as a model as to how to get the Christian Nationalist Party(CNP) over the finish line before 2026 midterms
The Nazis want to destroy all things that conservatives don’t have control over Not only attack university endowments but also go after the private sector and make them “feel economic pain” The Nazis feel that the country is in late republican period(meaning the final days of a democratic republic) This link from the Maddow show exposes the intent of the current Nazi regime https://bit.ly/3BrXePA
The Nazi party currently occupying the White House has set the agenda As JD Vance has said “we need to burn it all down and start over”
So this is where we are folks Feel like protesting now???