Political campaign guru Joe Trippi and political columnist Joe Klein review this weekend’s No Kings Protests with legendary anti-Vietnam War organizer Sam Brown.
If Zorhan Mamdani wins the mayoralty in NYC, I'm going to jump up and down cheering. The guy's smart energetic, enthusiastic, & maybe the best thig that has happened to the Democratic party.
As a paid subscriber, I’ve enjoyed and respected your Sanity Clause newsletter and the balanced thoughts and opinions expressed therein.
How disappointing it is then to see appended to today’s newsletter a screaming article by one Lisa Senecal. - Tipping the scale into teenage hyperbole. Trump’s ‘fascist movement’ indeed. Looking from across the pond I see Americans on both sides of the formerly ‘political’ divide, sharpening their linguistic spears without care of thought or accuracy. If Americans aren’t careful they will fall on their own blades. As for Ms Senecal and Lincoln Square, bad move Joe. You (should) know better.
An example Cathy - ‘Fascist movement’ is pure hyperbole. Over the top language serves no-one and demeans those who suffer from, and fight (have fought) against real Fascism, a terror America has had the wonderful luxury of never experiencing. Words matter. Understand their meaning. Use them well. Speak forcefully.
We will have to agree to disagree. If you are familiar with the works of Curtis Yarvin and follow what the other techno-fascists are up to (A real term, look it up, lots of high toned press about this movement. Oops, there's that word again.) or on the other end the many heads of the christo-fasists, there are fascist "movements" afoot for state capture in the United States at present. To parse words or to say that we don't have it as bad as others have had it (true) is to deny what is happening on the ground. Call me shrill or immature if you must from your perch overseas. I don't really care. Done.
‘Done’ you feel you may be Cathy. Methinks ‘overcooked’. That is some collection of buzz-words you’ve assembled, but this matter isn’t reductive Scrabble.
I am indeed ‘familiar with the works of’ … (insert self-selecting and self-justifying reading list here) ….
As I said previously, words matter. Please do look them up before you use them. ‘Parse words’ indeed. I certainly wouldn’t call you ‘shrill’ (whatever that means in this context), or ‘immature’. Thought-captured certainly. As for America’s ‘capture’, how little knowledge you display of your own history, and how little confidence you have in the world’s greatest democracy.
My ‘perch overseas’ is nice and high. You too can climb up and see the landscape as it really is. Read Up. Wise Up. Slán. Rory
And methinks 'arrogant prig' who's bad faith insults rather than substance are the form of your argument. Maybe you can make a sock puppet and take your act out on the road. Now I'm really done or "overcooked". Whatever.
Oh No! Here we go again Cathy. I took the trouble to read some of your other posts to the piece at hand. You certainly have a very thin skin and seem to lash out easily. Poor Joe Klein et al. Your posts do defy parody. For the record Cathy, I’ve addressed you by name, pointed out clearly where and why I believe you are wrong, and signed off with courtesy. Arrogant I may be in this particular exchange, but you yourself Cathy are alone in throwing insults.
In closing, remember that the xyz- fascists are coming to get you in your (as you say yourself, three times lucky upper middle class) vomit bubble. THERE’S NO ESCAPE. THEY’RE BEHIND YOU. Boo!
We need more grass roots orgs. Indivisible n No Kings are having success. Need a grass roots org that outs gop funders to instruct large scale purse power.
It rained in Ks! The day after people had posted No kings signs 🪧 and had fireworks 🎇!As the sun ☀️ was out! ? I’m concerned about messaging, for the Democratic Party!
You may have seen the AI generated video that King Cheeto pushed out…has him wearing a crown in which he is seen flying a jet and dumping shit on people in Times Square The message is clear, Cheeto doesn’t care about Americans or the country He only cares about himself and his billionaire buddies Anybody loyal to him gets in on the scam The rest of us, well, we can eat shit
Any celebrity complicit with Cheeto like Stallone, Sweeny, and Wahlberg need to be shown in the limelight as Nazis and traitors to the country
Democratic politicians like Fetterman need to be primaried
Companies like Facebook, Amazon, Twitter(X), Nestle, Target, T-Mobile(switch phone carrier), TikTok, The Atlantic(full page ad for Theil’s Palantir), Airbnb, Tesla, and any others complicit with this Nazi regime need to be fiercely boycotted
Farmers and ranchers in rural America are finally getting the message Cheeto never cared for our welfare That’s why he gave $1T tax cut(meanwhile the American debt just passed $38T) to his billionaire buddies and now sells the country out to Argentina Get the picture Cheeto shitting on Americans Traitor
It's so incredibly frustrating to hear people with platforms such as this one bemoan the METEORIC SUPERSTARDOM of Zohran Mamdani because he challenges the Corporatist DNC. Just STOP IT. There is nothing to fear from a candidate who actually speaks to the needs of his constituents and promises to deliver on them, instead of becoming the lapdog of AIPAC or any of the same broligarchs who have purchased the GOP to feed the insatiable psychopathy of the billionaire class. Free your mind. Mamdani is the future. De-fossilize your thinking.
Excellent comment Lincoln Square should not fall into the same rut that American life has fallen into Government is meant to work for the people The government is not a company....it's for WE the People Mamdami is simply modeling what government is supposed to do
Momdani is a socialist. That is very much the failed past. He is also a dilettante anti-zionist...which has no place in the future. The Left is an industrial age fossil. It's time to create a new alternative.
Every ideology taken to their extremes including the much vaunted capitalist system at present in the USA will fail. We are seeing end state capitalism now with massive wealth inequality and those on the bottom half of capitalism's pyramid scheme finally waking up to the entirely rigged game. I'm writing this as an upper middle class "bootstrapper" that got very lucky at three key times in my life so I see the game very clearly.
Your assertions about socialism being failed and "the left" being fossilized don't move the needle for people having had the football pulled over and over again by titans of industry and 21st century prosperity politicians of every stripe who's promises of prosperity only manage to land in their own pockets. No matter how hard or earnestly they try, folks end up poorer, further behind and more entrapped in their circumstances without something more whether it's luck, familial or community support or a benefactor.
That's why Mamdami (my autocorrect works fine) is making inroads and it remains to be seen whether he can produce results. No doubt there will be people desperately trying to hamstring him should he win this election (just like the right did with Obama) to prevent real change. Your clapbacks here are juvenile and unprofessional IMO, damaging the credibility of this show. FWIW.
Yes, every ideology has its extremes, but some work better than others. State-regulated capitalism has worked the best. It has reduced poverty spectacularly and created a flourishing global middle class. Socialism simply doesn’t work—and don’t tell me about Scandinavia: those are capitalist countries with state-regulated health care, a compromise worth considering. I have spent my life reading sentences like “We are seeing end state capitalism now…” and they have always proved, without exception, hogwash. Finally, you seem to think Americans don’t like wealthy people. That’s not true, at least according to every poll I’ve ever read on the subject. They admire rich people; they aspire to be rich themselves. What they don’t like is unfairness…but their sense of unfairness is different from the left’s. As in, it’s unfair for black students to be given special college admissions advantages. It’s unfair for law-abiding citizens to pay for sex change operations for prisoners. It’s unfair for people to enter the country illegally. You may disagree with those positions, but until you acknowledge the validity and causation of their roots, you’ll be missing the essence of this country. Which is a shame: you’re damn lucky to be living here. (Given a chance, with the political landscape cleared of left cultural idiocy, I suspect the public could eventually find Trump’s outlandish buckraking to be both unfair and illegal.)
Nonsense. Regulated capitalism isn't the system that we have though is it? We have state capture by moneyed interests that have completely upended the board in their favor. The only people that I know that admire and strive to become rich are empty, unhappy, selfish and soulless. The people I know just want enough to be comfortable and not worry every day about how they will cope if their car breaks down or if one of them has their hours cut or if they get sick. All of your scolding aside there are more people like me than you. I won't come back to this podcast and I'm sure you will be fine with that. So will I.
I blame spellcheck for all Mamdani mistakes. Sorry. But I've spent a lot of time (a) reporting about New York and (b) in the Middle East. I've been condemned by the Anti-Defamation League for being unfair to Israel. But I believe in a two-state solution, Israel and Palestine). Mamdani is not only anti-Israel, but reeks of the old salon socialist anti-Semitism. I've seen his "solutions" fail repeatedly in New York--rent control, support for the teachers union, state run stores--and around the world. I guess that makes me especially out of touch. Oh, and you misspelled "guys."
That's right. Unfollow the inconvenient. Especially if you can't make a counter-argument. Don't allow yourself to read or listen to anything you don't agree with. If you're the future, Orwell already wrote it.
You are clearly triggered and unable to take in other information at this time or consider other perspectives. Yes, Mamdani is a Progressive Democratic Socialist. We already have SOCIALISM for the rich in this country. You just don't want anyone less than a millionaire to benefit from the collective care that representative government SHOULD provide to its citizens. You want rugged individualism for the poor, failure UPWARDS for the rich. Check your privilege. I check mine every day. It's a practice, like yoga (go ahead and sneer at that, too - am I woke? am I woo-woo? am I weak and Orwellian for bringing hope to the table?). Anti-Zionist? YUP. Say less. Israel is a rogue state and Netanyahu is a war criminal. Facts. Sorry, not sorry. Support for a teacher's union is a FAILURE? Good grief. I can't mount an argument against something that is so patently absurd.
"Triggered" is not acceptable use of the English language, so I don't know what it means. Every point you raise is a talking point. No substance. "Socialism for the rich" refers to government support for private research and development--Trump is eviscerating much of this, to our long-term detriment. I'm in favor of a tax on every stock transaction (google Tobin tax), which will discourage speculation and encourage investment. Rugged individualism for the poor? Oh come on. Poverty has been declining in this country--except among families without fathers. That is a fact of 60 years standing. As for the teachers unions, what a joke! They oppose every positive reform--merit pay, charter schools, accountability. There are significant studies (Stanford, Tulane) that show charter schools are superior when it comes to educating poor kids. You really should climb out of your stovepipe and read a little.
The winning message is to run on fixing American capitalism. Five vulture capitalist corporations own all the manufacturers. Without real competition, they crush labor and extort the consumers. That's not real capitalism. It's Corporate Feudalism. Even Peter Thiel calls it that. Wages are a matter of power, not supply and demand, and the Chamber Of Commerce captured Supreme Court has rigged the system. Socialism is gaining credibility because the fake capitalism in America is discrediting real capitalism.
Another way of framing this is that the consolidating power the corporatocracy has stolen the American dream from the working class. The only way to balance the power is to break up the cartels and monopolies and restore labor and union protections. To do this we will have to use Article III, Section 2 power to limit the court from amending the Constitution with rights for money, corporations and immunity for presidents. (See Federalist 69, Prargraph 4.) The coup is led by Roberts, not Trump. Trump's job is to keep your attention away from the actual coup going on in the court with Roberts rewriting the Constitution.
The No Kings organizers and the protestors are not just Dems. They are independants and disaffected GOP and non voters - It would be good to have a space where people could register to vote.
Some of the No Kings protests did have voter registration booths. It was not a feature of all of them though unfortunately The really large and fairly small and impromptu protests would present some logistical issues to get around for that to happen.
I don't know if it was national or a local insert, but Canada ran a commercial during the evening news on ABC in the Detroit area. It was mainly a speech by Ronald Reagan denouncing the idea of tariffs and explaining how they kill jobs and crash the economy. A great move, and I hope it was national.
If Zorhan Mamdani wins the mayoralty in NYC, I'm going to jump up and down cheering. The guy's smart energetic, enthusiastic, & maybe the best thig that has happened to the Democratic party.
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Dear Joe
As a paid subscriber, I’ve enjoyed and respected your Sanity Clause newsletter and the balanced thoughts and opinions expressed therein.
How disappointing it is then to see appended to today’s newsletter a screaming article by one Lisa Senecal. - Tipping the scale into teenage hyperbole. Trump’s ‘fascist movement’ indeed. Looking from across the pond I see Americans on both sides of the formerly ‘political’ divide, sharpening their linguistic spears without care of thought or accuracy. If Americans aren’t careful they will fall on their own blades. As for Ms Senecal and Lincoln Square, bad move Joe. You (should) know better.
Not hyperbole if you live here.
An example Cathy - ‘Fascist movement’ is pure hyperbole. Over the top language serves no-one and demeans those who suffer from, and fight (have fought) against real Fascism, a terror America has had the wonderful luxury of never experiencing. Words matter. Understand their meaning. Use them well. Speak forcefully.
We will have to agree to disagree. If you are familiar with the works of Curtis Yarvin and follow what the other techno-fascists are up to (A real term, look it up, lots of high toned press about this movement. Oops, there's that word again.) or on the other end the many heads of the christo-fasists, there are fascist "movements" afoot for state capture in the United States at present. To parse words or to say that we don't have it as bad as others have had it (true) is to deny what is happening on the ground. Call me shrill or immature if you must from your perch overseas. I don't really care. Done.
‘Done’ you feel you may be Cathy. Methinks ‘overcooked’. That is some collection of buzz-words you’ve assembled, but this matter isn’t reductive Scrabble.
I am indeed ‘familiar with the works of’ … (insert self-selecting and self-justifying reading list here) ….
As I said previously, words matter. Please do look them up before you use them. ‘Parse words’ indeed. I certainly wouldn’t call you ‘shrill’ (whatever that means in this context), or ‘immature’. Thought-captured certainly. As for America’s ‘capture’, how little knowledge you display of your own history, and how little confidence you have in the world’s greatest democracy.
My ‘perch overseas’ is nice and high. You too can climb up and see the landscape as it really is. Read Up. Wise Up. Slán. Rory
And methinks 'arrogant prig' who's bad faith insults rather than substance are the form of your argument. Maybe you can make a sock puppet and take your act out on the road. Now I'm really done or "overcooked". Whatever.
Oh No! Here we go again Cathy. I took the trouble to read some of your other posts to the piece at hand. You certainly have a very thin skin and seem to lash out easily. Poor Joe Klein et al. Your posts do defy parody. For the record Cathy, I’ve addressed you by name, pointed out clearly where and why I believe you are wrong, and signed off with courtesy. Arrogant I may be in this particular exchange, but you yourself Cathy are alone in throwing insults.
In closing, remember that the xyz- fascists are coming to get you in your (as you say yourself, three times lucky upper middle class) vomit bubble. THERE’S NO ESCAPE. THEY’RE BEHIND YOU. Boo!
The crowd in Hendersonville NC was happy and numbered about 3000. Music, prayers and speeches.
We need more grass roots orgs. Indivisible n No Kings are having success. Need a grass roots org that outs gop funders to instruct large scale purse power.
Thank you, gentlemen! I enjoyed the stories and conversations! Three of are very interesting and good people!
Members of my family participated in Oregon, in No Kings!
Yep, Especially, John Deere! Nonviolent People, always win the day!
It rained in Ks! The day after people had posted No kings signs 🪧 and had fireworks 🎇!As the sun ☀️ was out! ? I’m concerned about messaging, for the Democratic Party!
Mr. Brown, sir, my, beloved father, went to vote, for, Senator Robert Kennedy! He wanted, hostilities, to end in Vietnam! He was a, WW2 Veteran!
As, for, myself the doctor said no, participated in No Kings! My ggf was named, Joesph! The kids, are definitely, all, right!
Cheeto Shits On Americans For Billionaires
You may have seen the AI generated video that King Cheeto pushed out…has him wearing a crown in which he is seen flying a jet and dumping shit on people in Times Square The message is clear, Cheeto doesn’t care about Americans or the country He only cares about himself and his billionaire buddies Anybody loyal to him gets in on the scam The rest of us, well, we can eat shit
Any celebrity complicit with Cheeto like Stallone, Sweeny, and Wahlberg need to be shown in the limelight as Nazis and traitors to the country
Democratic politicians like Fetterman need to be primaried
Companies like Facebook, Amazon, Twitter(X), Nestle, Target, T-Mobile(switch phone carrier), TikTok, The Atlantic(full page ad for Theil’s Palantir), Airbnb, Tesla, and any others complicit with this Nazi regime need to be fiercely boycotted
Farmers and ranchers in rural America are finally getting the message Cheeto never cared for our welfare That’s why he gave $1T tax cut(meanwhile the American debt just passed $38T) to his billionaire buddies and now sells the country out to Argentina Get the picture Cheeto shitting on Americans Traitor
It's so incredibly frustrating to hear people with platforms such as this one bemoan the METEORIC SUPERSTARDOM of Zohran Mamdani because he challenges the Corporatist DNC. Just STOP IT. There is nothing to fear from a candidate who actually speaks to the needs of his constituents and promises to deliver on them, instead of becoming the lapdog of AIPAC or any of the same broligarchs who have purchased the GOP to feed the insatiable psychopathy of the billionaire class. Free your mind. Mamdani is the future. De-fossilize your thinking.
Excellent comment Lincoln Square should not fall into the same rut that American life has fallen into Government is meant to work for the people The government is not a company....it's for WE the People Mamdami is simply modeling what government is supposed to do
Momdani is a socialist. That is very much the failed past. He is also a dilettante anti-zionist...which has no place in the future. The Left is an industrial age fossil. It's time to create a new alternative.
Every ideology taken to their extremes including the much vaunted capitalist system at present in the USA will fail. We are seeing end state capitalism now with massive wealth inequality and those on the bottom half of capitalism's pyramid scheme finally waking up to the entirely rigged game. I'm writing this as an upper middle class "bootstrapper" that got very lucky at three key times in my life so I see the game very clearly.
Your assertions about socialism being failed and "the left" being fossilized don't move the needle for people having had the football pulled over and over again by titans of industry and 21st century prosperity politicians of every stripe who's promises of prosperity only manage to land in their own pockets. No matter how hard or earnestly they try, folks end up poorer, further behind and more entrapped in their circumstances without something more whether it's luck, familial or community support or a benefactor.
That's why Mamdami (my autocorrect works fine) is making inroads and it remains to be seen whether he can produce results. No doubt there will be people desperately trying to hamstring him should he win this election (just like the right did with Obama) to prevent real change. Your clapbacks here are juvenile and unprofessional IMO, damaging the credibility of this show. FWIW.
Yes, every ideology has its extremes, but some work better than others. State-regulated capitalism has worked the best. It has reduced poverty spectacularly and created a flourishing global middle class. Socialism simply doesn’t work—and don’t tell me about Scandinavia: those are capitalist countries with state-regulated health care, a compromise worth considering. I have spent my life reading sentences like “We are seeing end state capitalism now…” and they have always proved, without exception, hogwash. Finally, you seem to think Americans don’t like wealthy people. That’s not true, at least according to every poll I’ve ever read on the subject. They admire rich people; they aspire to be rich themselves. What they don’t like is unfairness…but their sense of unfairness is different from the left’s. As in, it’s unfair for black students to be given special college admissions advantages. It’s unfair for law-abiding citizens to pay for sex change operations for prisoners. It’s unfair for people to enter the country illegally. You may disagree with those positions, but until you acknowledge the validity and causation of their roots, you’ll be missing the essence of this country. Which is a shame: you’re damn lucky to be living here. (Given a chance, with the political landscape cleared of left cultural idiocy, I suspect the public could eventually find Trump’s outlandish buckraking to be both unfair and illegal.)
Nonsense. Regulated capitalism isn't the system that we have though is it? We have state capture by moneyed interests that have completely upended the board in their favor. The only people that I know that admire and strive to become rich are empty, unhappy, selfish and soulless. The people I know just want enough to be comfortable and not worry every day about how they will cope if their car breaks down or if one of them has their hours cut or if they get sick. All of your scolding aside there are more people like me than you. I won't come back to this podcast and I'm sure you will be fine with that. So will I.
Whoa. You don't even spell his name correctly. A and O aren't near each other on the keyboard.
And what in tarnation is a "dilettante anti-zionist"? (does NYC actually determine foreign policy? Gosh.)
I'm sorry, but you guyz are too old and too out of touch.
I blame spellcheck for all Mamdani mistakes. Sorry. But I've spent a lot of time (a) reporting about New York and (b) in the Middle East. I've been condemned by the Anti-Defamation League for being unfair to Israel. But I believe in a two-state solution, Israel and Palestine). Mamdani is not only anti-Israel, but reeks of the old salon socialist anti-Semitism. I've seen his "solutions" fail repeatedly in New York--rent control, support for the teachers union, state run stores--and around the world. I guess that makes me especially out of touch. Oh, and you misspelled "guys."
Yikes. Time to unfollow this BS.
That's right. Unfollow the inconvenient. Especially if you can't make a counter-argument. Don't allow yourself to read or listen to anything you don't agree with. If you're the future, Orwell already wrote it.
You are clearly triggered and unable to take in other information at this time or consider other perspectives. Yes, Mamdani is a Progressive Democratic Socialist. We already have SOCIALISM for the rich in this country. You just don't want anyone less than a millionaire to benefit from the collective care that representative government SHOULD provide to its citizens. You want rugged individualism for the poor, failure UPWARDS for the rich. Check your privilege. I check mine every day. It's a practice, like yoga (go ahead and sneer at that, too - am I woke? am I woo-woo? am I weak and Orwellian for bringing hope to the table?). Anti-Zionist? YUP. Say less. Israel is a rogue state and Netanyahu is a war criminal. Facts. Sorry, not sorry. Support for a teacher's union is a FAILURE? Good grief. I can't mount an argument against something that is so patently absurd.
"Triggered" is not acceptable use of the English language, so I don't know what it means. Every point you raise is a talking point. No substance. "Socialism for the rich" refers to government support for private research and development--Trump is eviscerating much of this, to our long-term detriment. I'm in favor of a tax on every stock transaction (google Tobin tax), which will discourage speculation and encourage investment. Rugged individualism for the poor? Oh come on. Poverty has been declining in this country--except among families without fathers. That is a fact of 60 years standing. As for the teachers unions, what a joke! They oppose every positive reform--merit pay, charter schools, accountability. There are significant studies (Stanford, Tulane) that show charter schools are superior when it comes to educating poor kids. You really should climb out of your stovepipe and read a little.
This tit for tat from host is a particularly bad look.
Ok, Boomer.
When the protest groups reach the 12 million mark, what does the government look like? How do we know that they are buckleing?
We know when they are buckling when they push back even harder
The winning message is to run on fixing American capitalism. Five vulture capitalist corporations own all the manufacturers. Without real competition, they crush labor and extort the consumers. That's not real capitalism. It's Corporate Feudalism. Even Peter Thiel calls it that. Wages are a matter of power, not supply and demand, and the Chamber Of Commerce captured Supreme Court has rigged the system. Socialism is gaining credibility because the fake capitalism in America is discrediting real capitalism.
Another way of framing this is that the consolidating power the corporatocracy has stolen the American dream from the working class. The only way to balance the power is to break up the cartels and monopolies and restore labor and union protections. To do this we will have to use Article III, Section 2 power to limit the court from amending the Constitution with rights for money, corporations and immunity for presidents. (See Federalist 69, Prargraph 4.) The coup is led by Roberts, not Trump. Trump's job is to keep your attention away from the actual coup going on in the court with Roberts rewriting the Constitution.
acrecampaign.org is a good starting point...taking on billionaires by boycotting them and their businesses at a grassroots level such as onepa.org
The No Kings organizers and the protestors are not just Dems. They are independants and disaffected GOP and non voters - It would be good to have a space where people could register to vote.
Some of the No Kings protests did have voter registration booths. It was not a feature of all of them though unfortunately The really large and fairly small and impromptu protests would present some logistical issues to get around for that to happen.
I don't know if it was national or a local insert, but Canada ran a commercial during the evening news on ABC in the Detroit area. It was mainly a speech by Ronald Reagan denouncing the idea of tariffs and explaining how they kill jobs and crash the economy. A great move, and I hope it was national.