Could never understand why all those Christian were so up their nose about sharia law. Now I do. It’s because was too close to the kind of control they wanted.
On abortion, what if instead we try to make sure every child born is wanted?
That at the very least, at birth, they are loved and respected as new individual people? That they are not resented, or there because the mother was pressured into giving birth? Let’s put the focus on the child’s and mother’s well-being instead of fetuses and embryos.
Stop calling it White Christian Nationalism. It is the American Christian Taliban! The same year that the Islamic Taliban re-subjugated the women in Afghanistan was when the Texas Christian Taliban subjugated the women in Texas! From there it spread to other states. You have to use emotional trigger words to get to make them think.
Also, stop saying women have the freedom to choose when the Christian Taliban says you are killing babies. It is a losing emotional argument. The argument is based on their belief that human life begins at conception, but that is not a universal religious belief. The Catholic Church and the Fundamentalist Evangelical Churches preach this belief in their churches and they have turned it into a political mandate to force people of other faiths to comply.
Freedom to choose was not supported by this Supreme Court, but they have supported freedom of religion.
If you want to make an impact on this issue, stop marching down the streets. Instead, protest in the streets by the Catholic and Evangelical churches on Sunday morning. The signs should read "Catholic laws only apply to Catholics". "Taliban laws only apply to the Taliban". "The state cannot specify an official state religion". If a Catholic does not believe life begins at conception she is free to become a member of another church.
"When life begins" is a religious belief. Even science cannot determine the beginning of life. For example, the sperm and egg cells are alive before conception. Conception only means that it contains a complete genome, as do all the other cells in the human body. These cells perform what the DNA specifies. They are not aware that they are alive. There is no brain, no heart or nerve cells yet. My belief is that cellular life becomes human life when it becomes conscious and knows that it is alive. This quite likely happens after the first trimester, as specified in Roe v Wade.
Please spread this message to get the freedom you are promised in the constitution.
Another fine podcast Andra. But to your header statement ('Stop pretending this is someone else’s fight.') I would respond: Stop pretending that we can win this from any basis other than reason. As you understand, our opponents are seeking full reversal of the European Enlightenment. They don't really want our return to the 1950s, but more honestly, to the 1750s. We have the needed intellectual weapon for opposition to this; most powerfully, on-demand-repeatable physical observation grounded reason, but we have so far been too fearful, diffident and craven to use it. PLEASE - for all of our sakes, and while we still have some chance for victory - try reading at least the opening pages of my relevant essay, at www.thelastbesthope.xyz
“First they came for the Communists” is the famous opening line of a statement, often rendered as a poem, by German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller. Written after World War II, it reflects on the consequences of not standing up against the incremental persecution and targeting of various groups by the Nazi regime. Niemöller, who was initially a supporter of Hitler but later became an opponent and was imprisoned in concentration camps, used this statement to admit his own failure—and that of other German intellectuals and clergy—to speak out in defense of marginalized groups as the Nazis tightened their grip on Germany.
The most commonly cited English version of the poem is:
Christian nationalist fever dream is control of women as women were controlled in the old South. Women should never allow themselves to be railroaded back to servitude under white male supervision.
We need to stand up for ourselves and each other. The love of God is not in them. Don't let another person define for you who you are and what you deserve.
But is it enough? I don't pretend. I name the flatworms. I support no church or secular group that wants to put women back into their 'traditional' roles. Aaaaand.... it's not enough. I can march, I can send shit-tons of money to PP, yet the Southern State legislatures continue to pass more and more restrictive laws and prosecute women for miscarriages.
You know why the Right is so shrill and panicky about the Left 'starting a civil war' and how they will slaughter us all because they're so tuff and armed with manly weapons of war? Because they're terrified we'll actually do something. They claim they are ready and willing to make us 'pay' if we resist them. At some point, we will begin to make them pay.
I've talked with my husband about this a lot. I don't know how to change it, but having these conversations is part of it. I think many American men - even amazing, supportive American men - sometimes don't see how hard it can be for women.
I'll give you a couple of examples.
My husband is friends with a man who interrupts me. Forcefully sometimes. He even told me to be quiet in my own home at my own table while enjoying my own hospitality. And my husband sat there and never said anything the many times his friend interrupted me. I could've called the friend out on it, but I would've been the Charlie Brown cartoon adult voice "wah-wah-wah-ing" to this man. When I finally told my husband I never wanted to see that friend again, I said, "You have to stand up for me in these situations, because you're the voice he might listen to. I'm just noise." My husband really didn't understand that until I pointed it out, and again HE IS AMAZING.
I've also had the experience of invisibility as a woman-of-a-certain-age. Men try to walk through me on the sidewalk. They stand in front of me in public spaces so that I can't see or reach whatever I'm waiting for. Etc. My husband didn't realize he did that to other women sometimes until I pointed it out.
I think there are plenty of American men who grasp these things and fight for women. And I think there are plenty of men who don't grasp these things and need to do more work.
As a recovering Christian Nationalist, I can always do more work. I'll never be done with the work. I hope I don't sound like I'm speaking from a place of "I've arrived, and I'm lecturing everyone else about doing the work."
Yikes. I'm nowhere near getting my Amazing card. Your 'family friend' is a dipshit. I'm sorry men run you down at crosswalks, it's shitty.
Here's the thing: men don't see stuff. My S.O. wages a forever war of attrition against my helpless blindness at finding things right in front of me and remembering something she told me 3 days ago. She gets pissed, I'm motivated to try harder. I get best results folding a new behavior into my regular routine (I am *killing* loading the dishwasher and wiping down the kitchen now... because I don't THINK about it). I could get all man-splainy about why I think this is, but that just adds no value and makes it worse. She wants me to be mentally agile like she is and deal with 22 options for something at any one time. I can't do it, my mind is linear. It's a feature.
I've had similar situations to yours, with a friend getting all high and mighty with my S.O. (it's actually the two of them who are the oldest friends). When I got him alone, I whispered to him that he was acting like an asshole and better knock it off because he was hurting her feelings. It worked pretty well because he gave a shit. Your husband's friend, maybe not so much, because maybe he's not even a friend.
Which is my point, men don't see things until you point it out to them, sometimes 12 times (that's a joke, but not really). Sometimes you get arrogant malice, sometimes you get innocent dumbassery. And sometime 'working pretty well' is the big win.
When KKKristian nationalists vote for a man who grabs women by the genitals, who walks in unannounced into teen dressing rooms, who was held liable for sexual assault, and who had best friends who were pedophiles, sex traffickers and sexual predators, it is obvious that they are not concerned with women whatsoever. They are mentally ill and devoid of copassion towards anyone that isn't a white KKKristian. peye kegsbreath retweeted a screed from his churh who supported an incest pedophile. kegsbreath also has a history of sexual harassment. RFKwack is a slimeball as well. Power corrupts...especially religious and political corruption.
I once dated someone who claimed that American women could not be controlled. That was the last time I dated him. I can control myself. I do not require anyone's assistance to do so.
Little is written or recognized about what the Nazi party is doing in courts throughout the country to create voter disenfranchisement and create an overall attack on voter legitimacy
There are private groups tied to the DOJ by past Nazi relationships that are charged with constant court filings to essentially create a legal reign on terror against voting rights This Nazi terror effort by these groups such Cleta Mitchell’s Election Integrity Network(EIN) in Georgia and the Public Interest Legal Foundation in Colorado are creating an all out effort to delegitimize the voting process through the courts Election conspiracist Lori Gallagher is encouraging ethics complaint letters about a judge that heard the Tina Peters case presently serving 9y in a Colorado prison for manipulation of voting machines in the 2020 election
This coupled with the DOJ’s efforts to commandeer voter rolls from blue states is essentially all out Nazi effort to rig 2026 and future elections A full on offensive response needs to be fashioned by taking these groups to court on the basis of antidemocratic practices
I have never allowed Apple in my house. If I did, so when Tim Apple kissed the ring, that would really have turned me off the brand,
Could never understand why all those Christian were so up their nose about sharia law. Now I do. It’s because was too close to the kind of control they wanted.
On abortion, what if instead we try to make sure every child born is wanted?
That at the very least, at birth, they are loved and respected as new individual people? That they are not resented, or there because the mother was pressured into giving birth? Let’s put the focus on the child’s and mother’s well-being instead of fetuses and embryos.
Stop calling it White Christian Nationalism. It is the American Christian Taliban! The same year that the Islamic Taliban re-subjugated the women in Afghanistan was when the Texas Christian Taliban subjugated the women in Texas! From there it spread to other states. You have to use emotional trigger words to get to make them think.
Also, stop saying women have the freedom to choose when the Christian Taliban says you are killing babies. It is a losing emotional argument. The argument is based on their belief that human life begins at conception, but that is not a universal religious belief. The Catholic Church and the Fundamentalist Evangelical Churches preach this belief in their churches and they have turned it into a political mandate to force people of other faiths to comply.
Freedom to choose was not supported by this Supreme Court, but they have supported freedom of religion.
If you want to make an impact on this issue, stop marching down the streets. Instead, protest in the streets by the Catholic and Evangelical churches on Sunday morning. The signs should read "Catholic laws only apply to Catholics". "Taliban laws only apply to the Taliban". "The state cannot specify an official state religion". If a Catholic does not believe life begins at conception she is free to become a member of another church.
"When life begins" is a religious belief. Even science cannot determine the beginning of life. For example, the sperm and egg cells are alive before conception. Conception only means that it contains a complete genome, as do all the other cells in the human body. These cells perform what the DNA specifies. They are not aware that they are alive. There is no brain, no heart or nerve cells yet. My belief is that cellular life becomes human life when it becomes conscious and knows that it is alive. This quite likely happens after the first trimester, as specified in Roe v Wade.
Please spread this message to get the freedom you are promised in the constitution.
Another fine podcast Andra. But to your header statement ('Stop pretending this is someone else’s fight.') I would respond: Stop pretending that we can win this from any basis other than reason. As you understand, our opponents are seeking full reversal of the European Enlightenment. They don't really want our return to the 1950s, but more honestly, to the 1750s. We have the needed intellectual weapon for opposition to this; most powerfully, on-demand-repeatable physical observation grounded reason, but we have so far been too fearful, diffident and craven to use it. PLEASE - for all of our sakes, and while we still have some chance for victory - try reading at least the opening pages of my relevant essay, at www.thelastbesthope.xyz
“First they came for the Communists” is the famous opening line of a statement, often rendered as a poem, by German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller. Written after World War II, it reflects on the consequences of not standing up against the incremental persecution and targeting of various groups by the Nazi regime. Niemöller, who was initially a supporter of Hitler but later became an opponent and was imprisoned in concentration camps, used this statement to admit his own failure—and that of other German intellectuals and clergy—to speak out in defense of marginalized groups as the Nazis tightened their grip on Germany.
The most commonly cited English version of the poem is:
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me.
Christian nationalist fever dream is control of women as women were controlled in the old South. Women should never allow themselves to be railroaded back to servitude under white male supervision.
We need to stand up for ourselves and each other. The love of God is not in them. Don't let another person define for you who you are and what you deserve.
Silence is complicity
But is it enough? I don't pretend. I name the flatworms. I support no church or secular group that wants to put women back into their 'traditional' roles. Aaaaand.... it's not enough. I can march, I can send shit-tons of money to PP, yet the Southern State legislatures continue to pass more and more restrictive laws and prosecute women for miscarriages.
You know why the Right is so shrill and panicky about the Left 'starting a civil war' and how they will slaughter us all because they're so tuff and armed with manly weapons of war? Because they're terrified we'll actually do something. They claim they are ready and willing to make us 'pay' if we resist them. At some point, we will begin to make them pay.
George, it will take millions more men like you (and places where those men can connect.)
I think we're already here. Men have mothers, sisters, wives, and female friends. I doubt we're as separated from this as some may think.
I've talked with my husband about this a lot. I don't know how to change it, but having these conversations is part of it. I think many American men - even amazing, supportive American men - sometimes don't see how hard it can be for women.
I'll give you a couple of examples.
My husband is friends with a man who interrupts me. Forcefully sometimes. He even told me to be quiet in my own home at my own table while enjoying my own hospitality. And my husband sat there and never said anything the many times his friend interrupted me. I could've called the friend out on it, but I would've been the Charlie Brown cartoon adult voice "wah-wah-wah-ing" to this man. When I finally told my husband I never wanted to see that friend again, I said, "You have to stand up for me in these situations, because you're the voice he might listen to. I'm just noise." My husband really didn't understand that until I pointed it out, and again HE IS AMAZING.
I've also had the experience of invisibility as a woman-of-a-certain-age. Men try to walk through me on the sidewalk. They stand in front of me in public spaces so that I can't see or reach whatever I'm waiting for. Etc. My husband didn't realize he did that to other women sometimes until I pointed it out.
I think there are plenty of American men who grasp these things and fight for women. And I think there are plenty of men who don't grasp these things and need to do more work.
As a recovering Christian Nationalist, I can always do more work. I'll never be done with the work. I hope I don't sound like I'm speaking from a place of "I've arrived, and I'm lecturing everyone else about doing the work."
Yikes. I'm nowhere near getting my Amazing card. Your 'family friend' is a dipshit. I'm sorry men run you down at crosswalks, it's shitty.
Here's the thing: men don't see stuff. My S.O. wages a forever war of attrition against my helpless blindness at finding things right in front of me and remembering something she told me 3 days ago. She gets pissed, I'm motivated to try harder. I get best results folding a new behavior into my regular routine (I am *killing* loading the dishwasher and wiping down the kitchen now... because I don't THINK about it). I could get all man-splainy about why I think this is, but that just adds no value and makes it worse. She wants me to be mentally agile like she is and deal with 22 options for something at any one time. I can't do it, my mind is linear. It's a feature.
I've had similar situations to yours, with a friend getting all high and mighty with my S.O. (it's actually the two of them who are the oldest friends). When I got him alone, I whispered to him that he was acting like an asshole and better knock it off because he was hurting her feelings. It worked pretty well because he gave a shit. Your husband's friend, maybe not so much, because maybe he's not even a friend.
Which is my point, men don't see things until you point it out to them, sometimes 12 times (that's a joke, but not really). Sometimes you get arrogant malice, sometimes you get innocent dumbassery. And sometime 'working pretty well' is the big win.
When KKKristian nationalists vote for a man who grabs women by the genitals, who walks in unannounced into teen dressing rooms, who was held liable for sexual assault, and who had best friends who were pedophiles, sex traffickers and sexual predators, it is obvious that they are not concerned with women whatsoever. They are mentally ill and devoid of copassion towards anyone that isn't a white KKKristian. peye kegsbreath retweeted a screed from his churh who supported an incest pedophile. kegsbreath also has a history of sexual harassment. RFKwack is a slimeball as well. Power corrupts...especially religious and political corruption.
Here I am Lord, send me. I am totally opposed to DEI and monsters like Doug Wilson.
I meant that I am totally FOR DEI. I am totally opposed to monsters like Doug Wilson!
Ha - good catch! I knew what you meant. Bet everyone else did, too. And, thank you!! 😊 😍
Thanks Marcia!
I once dated someone who claimed that American women could not be controlled. That was the last time I dated him. I can control myself. I do not require anyone's assistance to do so.
Cheeto’s Nazi Party and Legal Reign of Terrorism
Little is written or recognized about what the Nazi party is doing in courts throughout the country to create voter disenfranchisement and create an overall attack on voter legitimacy
There are private groups tied to the DOJ by past Nazi relationships that are charged with constant court filings to essentially create a legal reign on terror against voting rights This Nazi terror effort by these groups such Cleta Mitchell’s Election Integrity Network(EIN) in Georgia and the Public Interest Legal Foundation in Colorado are creating an all out effort to delegitimize the voting process through the courts Election conspiracist Lori Gallagher is encouraging ethics complaint letters about a judge that heard the Tina Peters case presently serving 9y in a Colorado prison for manipulation of voting machines in the 2020 election
This coupled with the DOJ’s efforts to commandeer voter rolls from blue states is essentially all out Nazi effort to rig 2026 and future elections A full on offensive response needs to be fashioned by taking these groups to court on the basis of antidemocratic practices
Religion IS the original cult.
So is atheism.
never used that word
You didn't have to.
as if you would know
As a matter of fact, I do know. And don't get into a battle of wits with me. You have no weapons.
Thank you for EASILY proving my point. All without the use of weapons.